From helm@fionn.es.net Fri Nov 12 13:14:57 1999 To: ldap@umich.edu Cc: NameFLOW-forum@dante.org.uk Reply-to: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: X.500 and c=US Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:14:54 -0800 From: Michael Helm Received: from localhost by localhost Message-Id: <"w5wDW.A.nNF.RNIL4"@fionn> The c=US DSA seems to have gone away (or at least, away from PSI), and such resources as one finds concerning X.500 on the net seem to be in a parlous state. Is there a replacement for c=US in that infrastructure? Or is it dead? Is the portion of X.500 that implemented a global hierarchy of DSA's and country registrations now dead, too? Replied: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:56:29 -0800 Replied: helm@fionn.es.net Replied: Konstantin Chuguev From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Mon Nov 15 03:36:43 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id DAA18389 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02398 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:04:27 GMT Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02070; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:52:25 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04480; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:50:47 GMT Message-ID: <382FD776.45E08CA3@dante.org.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:50:46 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wpp-manager@psi.com, hostmaster@aarnet.edu.au, Steen.Linden@uni-c.dk, galen@cs.msu.su, katalog-hjelp@tyholt.uninett.no, celestino.tomas@rediris.es, juli@hunch.cc.huji.ac.il, postmaster@pec.etri.re.kr, zhaom@Taurus.synet.edu.cn, benyo@lutra.sztaki.hu, tetenyi@sztaki.hu, marc.stiefer@restena.lu, hostmaster@inmarsat.org, Donal.OMahony@cs.tcd.ie, Manu.Mahonen@csc.fi, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, francis@nii.ncb.gov.sg, hostmaster@deneb.dfn.de, postmaster@wonder.net.tw, mani@iitd.ernet.in, postmaster@iihe.ac.be, enver.sehovic@etf.hr, smolenova@uakom.sk, Eva.Cirkvova@vse.cz, NameFLOW Forum Subject: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------44321A52E47C61BF34137999" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------44321A52E47C61BF34137999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all. DANTE, the maintainer of the root DSA of the Open Directory (cn=Giant Tortoise), is going to clear its database. There are 27 DSA's discovered, which never answered the probe request during last 14 days. All of them did not update their databases since September 1993 - December 1998 and seem to be unsupported. Some of these DSA's have the contact email address in their info attribute, other do not. For the latter ones, I have tried to discover the contact person in the CONTACTS NAMEFLOW-PARADISE list (http://www.dante.net/np/contacts.html). I then checked availability of their email account, and if the user seemed to have disappeared, I changed the user name to hostmaster. If there was no hostmaster, I chose postmaster. So, this list is not very accurate. I am also sending this message to the NameFLOW-forum@dante.org.uk mailing list. I apologise if somebody receiving this message does not deal with DSA's. In this case, could you please forward this message to the appropriate person. Attached is the detailed information on all unavailable DSA's. DANTE is going to remove all unavailable DSA's from the root node. If you wish to proceed keeping your DSA, or you know about changes in the DSA structure at your country level, please contact me before December 1. Thank you. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net --------------44321A52E47C61BF34137999 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmail382FD31C04E1119" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail382FD31C04E1119" Return-Path: Received: by kappa.dante.org.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA28301; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:19:57 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:19:57 GMT From: isode (ROOT DSA) Message-Id: <199911091619.QAA28301@kappa.dante.org.uk> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: joy X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 commonName - Alpaca localityName - Troy, New York, US organizationName - U.S. DMD description - The Wily Alpaca description - Operated by PSI Inc. description - Master DSA for o=Internet description - Master DSA for o=DMD under c=US description - Master DSA for c=US@st=* description - Master DSA for c=US presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=38.8.25.2+17007 info - Peter Bachman info - Eric Bowles (+81 3-5478-7601) lastModifiedTime - Sun Jun 1 00:26:06 1997 commonName - Anaconda localityName - AU organizationName - Australian Academic and Research Network description - Master DSA for c=AU QUIPU namespace description - Anaconda DSA, running and TCP/IP on clix.aarnet.edu.au description - A large snake with a disgustingly rapacious appetite presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.102.128.59+17705 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Tue Dec 20 11:53:30 1994 commonName - Armadillo localityName - Lyngby organizationName - UNI-C description - Master DSA for c=DK presentationAddress - Internet=130.228.3.3+17003|Int-X25=23830106331270+PID+03018100 info - Steen Linden lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 8 11:58:17 1996 commonName - Bear localityName - RU organizationName - Moscow State University organizationName - 4F ltd description - Russian DSA presentationAddress - Internet=158.250.17.22+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Wed May 28 08:58:21 1997 commonName - Boa Constrictor localityName - Bergen organizationName - UNINETT, Norway description - Backup root DSA for Norway. presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=158.37.8.11+17003 info - Contact: Hallvard B Furuseth/Rune Fr\f9ysa (+47-22 85 28 28) lastModifiedTime - Wed Oct 28 03:04:25 1998 commonName - Cayman localityName - ES organizationName - Universidad Politecnica de Madrid description - American reptile resembling an aligator. presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=138.4.22.60+17003|IXI=2043145100011+PID+03018100|Int-X25=21452170985051+PID+03018100 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Fri Sep 23 13:28:47 1994 commonName - Dorcan Gazelle localityName - Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Givat Ram, Jerusalem, Israel o - (No such attribute in this entry) description - Master DSA of c=IL presentationAddress - Internet=132.64.4.13+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 20 15:27:50 1995 commonName - Dragon localityName - Taejon, Korea o - (No such attribute in this entry) description - Operated by ETRI/PEC(Protocol Engineering Center) description - o= ETRI description - Master DSA for o=ETRI(Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute) description - Master DSA for c=KR presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=129.254.201.8+17003 info - Kwang-Soo Kim (+82 42-860-6436) lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 29 04:29:13 1996 commonName - Fruit Bat localityName - Troy, New York, US organizationName - U.S. DMD description - The New Mischievous Varmint description - Slave DSA for o=DMD under c=US description - Slave DSA for c=US description - Operated by PSInet Inc. presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=38.9.67.2+17007 info - Peter Bachman (+1 518-283-8860 x2237) lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 10 19:28:16 1997 commonName - Giant Panda l - (No such attribute in this entry) o - (No such attribute in this entry) description - c=CN is visible only from this DSA description - An experimantal DSA running at Northeastern University in China presentationAddress - Internet=202.112.29.88+17003 info - Zhao Ming lastModifiedTime - (No such attribute in this entry) commonName - Gorrion localityName - Buenos Aires,AR organizationName - UBA description - Small and brown bird. description - Master DSA for c=AR presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=157.92.1.5+17003 info - info@ccc.uba.ar lastModifiedTime - Tue Oct 1 16:04:49 1996 commonName - Guinea Pig commonName - Cavia porcellanus localityName - Budapest, Hungary organizationName - Computer and Automation Institute description - Master DSA for c=HU description - A small roundish furry animal with small ears, rather like a rat without a tail, which is often kept by children as a pet and is sometimes used in scientific tests. presentationAddress - Internet=192.84.229.58+17003 info - Benyo@sztaki.hu -- + 36 1 129 48 41 lastModifiedTime - Mon Oct 9 17:44:56 1995 commonName - Guppy localityName - LU organizationName - Restena description - Primary Level-1 DSA for the country c=LU description - a small fish that lives in the rivers of South America presentationAddress - Internet=158.64.1.14+17003|IXI=20437031009601|X121+2704421629602 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Thu Dec 9 08:06:54 1993 commonName - HedgeHog l - (No such attribute in this entry) organizationName - Inmarsat description - Spikey mammal description - Inmarsat's Master DSA presentationAddress - Internet=161.30.162.55+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Thu Sep 2 16:54:10 1993 commonName - Irish Elk localityName - Dublin organizationName - Trinity College Dublin description - Master DSA for Republic of Ireland description - A giant deer presentationAddress - Int-X25=27243605600135+PID+03018100|Internet=134.226.32.45+17007|Janet=000022002304+PID+03018100|IXI=20437250000906+PID+03018100 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Thu Jan 23 14:47:38 1997 commonName - Jaguar l - (No such attribute in this entry) o - (No such attribute in this entry) description - The MASTER DSA for c=FI description - The Jaguar DSA. Located at Tampere Univ of Technology, Finland. description - A big cat. presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.230.1.1+17003|ICD+0023+x0000000300000002000112821400100100 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Wed Aug 3 17:00:52 1994 commonName - Kakapo localityName - Wellington, NZ organizationName - Victoria University of Wellington description - World's largest parrot - NZ native description - Unusual breeding habits - calls its mate description - only from the top of a mountain description - Flightless, green, vegetarian - only 50 left description - Directory Server for New Zealand presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.195.5.8+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Tue May 24 00:45:42 1994 commonName - Lion localityName - Singapore organizationName - National Computer Board of Singapore description - The king of the jungle that is the mascot of Singapore description - master DSA for Singapore (maintained by NCB) presentationAddress - Internet=160.96.11.164+17003 info - Francis Koo (+65 770 3824) lastModifiedTime - Fri Dec 22 01:45:46 1995 commonName - margay localityName - Berlin, DE organizationName - DFN organizationName - Deutsches Forschungsnetz description - Backup DSA for c=DE, Master DSA for c=DE@o=Deutsches Forschungsnetz presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=192.76.176.15+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Wed Dec 9 18:16:52 1998 commonName - Northern Pudu l - (No such attribute in this entry) organizationName - FUNET description - The root DSA for Finnish University and research NETwork organisations description - The Northern Pudu DSA. description - MASTER DSA for c=FI description - FUNET root DSA located at ESPOO presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=128.214.1.252+17003 info - Manu M\cdah\cdonen (+358 0 457 2240) lastModifiedTime - Wed Aug 3 17:43:47 1994 commonName - Ornate Hawk Eagle localityName - TW organizationName - Taiwan Network Access Point description - DSA holding root of c=TW as Master presentationAddress - Internet=210.209.1.10+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Fri Jul 10 14:57:42 1998 commonName - Pelican localityName - Delhi, India organizationName - IIT Delhi, IN description - Pelican description - Master DSA for c=IN presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=144.16.128.41+17003 info - Manivannan Aru(+91 11 6867431) lastModifiedTime - Thu May 25 11:20:51 1995 commonName - Red Titi Monkey localityName - BE organizationName - Brussels University description - Slave DSA for c=BE presentationAddress - "quipu"/Internet=193.190.247.67+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Wed Sep 20 18:19:55 1995 commonName - Roufous Motmot localityName - Zagreb, Croatia, Europe organizationName - University of Zagreb - Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Computing organizationName - Fakultet elektrotehnike i racunarstva Sveucilista u Zagrebu description - temporarily yet unknown description - Master DSA for c=HR presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=161.53.19.205+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 6 13:53:38 1995 commonName - Tarpon localityName - SLOVAKIA, Banska Bystrica localityName - Banska Bystrica in Slovak Republic organizationName - Matej Bel University, UAKOM Banska Bystrica description - The Tarpon DSA. Located at UAKOM (Institute of communication description - Matej Bel University) in Banska Bystrica, SLOVAKIA. description - Master DSA for c=SK. presentationAddress - Internet=192.108.131.17+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Fri Dec 22 13:11:45 1995 commonName - Woolly Opossum commonName - Dromiciops australis localityName - CZ organizationName - Prague University of Economics description - When in danger opossums lie motionless and appear to be dead. description - South American marsupial, family of didelphids (didelphidiadae) description - Opossums keep their babies in a pouch on front of mothers body description - DSA holding c=CZ as Master presentationAddress - Internet=146.102.16.4+17003 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Wed Jan 26 17:26:00 1994 commonName - Woolly Spider Monkey localityName - BE organizationName - Vrije Universiteit Brussel organizationName - Brussels University description - Yellow-brownish monkey which lives in south-east Brasil. The description - Woolly Spider Monkey is smaller than a normal Spider Monkey description - Brachyteles Arachnoides. National master DSA for Belgium. description - and has softer hair. presentationAddress - "quipu"/Internet=193.190.247.71+17003|Int-X25=2062221006115+PID+03018100 info - (No such attribute in this entry) lastModifiedTime - Tue Jul 9 11:31:20 1996 --------------44321A52E47C61BF34137999-- From helm@fionn.es.net Mon Nov 15 08:56:31 1999 To: Konstantin Chuguev Reply-to: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:50:46 GMT." <382FD776.45E08CA3@dante.org.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:56:28 -0800 From: Michael Helm Received: from localhost by localhost Message-Id: <"H4LIB.A.g6G._sDM4"@fionn> As you probably know I've been searching for the current owner of c=US. I know that the people doing X.500 at PSI (c=US) have disappeared, & wpp-manager@psi.net is probably an email black hole. So, you may want to send this announcment to hostmaster@psi.net. From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Tue Nov 16 02:19:01 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id CAA06428 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00926 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:34 GMT Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00922; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:22 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05015; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:22 GMT Message-ID: <3831219A.F610FBE8@dante.org.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:22 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Lenggenhager , NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: > > Hello Konstantin > > Great, that you act on this. I shortly checked the list. To my experience, > cn=Woolly Spider Monkey is up and running. > Oops. Really. The probing script is broken. It does not recognize multiple values of presentationAddress splitted by '|'. I am going to fix it before I make any cleaning. Maybe I better write my own. Thomas, thank you very much. You saved us of removing live DSA's! > What will your action be, once you decide which DSAs to remove? > In my opinion it is necessary to > - remove all the country entries mastered by one of these DSAs. > - to adapt all country entries which refer to one of the removed > DSAs as slaveDSAs. > - to modify all remaining DSAs that the eDBInfo reflects the correct > master/slave relationship. > Exactly, and also to remove the DSA's from dsaptailor. > Good luck for your clean-up job to complete successfully. > > Kind regards, > Thomas Lenggenhager > Thanks for your help. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net From Konstantin.Chuguev@dante.org.uk Tue Nov 16 01:27:52 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id BAA05236 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01418 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:26:56 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05032 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:26:56 GMT Sender: joy@dante.org.uk Message-ID: <38312360.121CD1D@dante.org.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:26:56 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: <199911151656.IAA28261@fionn.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Helm wrote: > > As you probably know I've been searching for the current owner > of c=US. I know that the people doing X.500 at PSI (c=US) have > disappeared, & wpp-manager@psi.net is probably an email > black hole. So, you may want to send this announcment to > hostmaster@psi.net. I did this. Thank you. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Tue Nov 16 09:22:20 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id JAA17662 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14440 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:35 GMT Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14426; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:21 GMT Received: from escher.esys.ca (escher.esys.ca [198.161.92.96]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id IAA10258; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:44:09 -0700 From: Mark Miller Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:44:09 -0700 To: Konstantin Chuguev Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: Thomas Lenggenhager , NameFLOW Forum In-Reply-To: <3831219A.F610FBE8@dante.org.uk> References: <3831219A.F610FBE8@dante.org.uk> Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.1 Build (9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Konstantin, Do you have any plans to begin upgrading the nameflow service from X.500(88) to X.500(93)? I am interested in seeing this service survive & this upgrade would be necessary for it to continue. Also, do you know if anyone will be assuming responsibility for the c=US subtree? Mark. On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:22 +0000 Konstantin Chuguev wrote: | Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: | > | > Hello Konstantin | > | > Great, that you act on this. I shortly checked the list. To my experience, | > cn=Woolly Spider Monkey is up and running. | > | Oops. Really. The probing script is broken. It does not recognize | multiple values of presentationAddress splitted by '|'. I am going to | fix it before I make any cleaning. Maybe I better write my own. | | Thomas, thank you very much. You saved us of removing live DSA's! | | > What will your action be, once you decide which DSAs to remove? | > In my opinion it is necessary to | > - remove all the country entries mastered by one of these DSAs. | > - to adapt all country entries which refer to one of the removed | > DSAs as slaveDSAs. | > - to modify all remaining DSAs that the eDBInfo reflects the correct | > master/slave relationship. | > | Exactly, and also to remove the DSA's from dsaptailor. | | > Good luck for your clean-up job to complete successfully. | > | > Kind regards, | > Thomas Lenggenhager | > | | Thanks for your help. | | -- | * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer | * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road | * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom | D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Tue Nov 16 10:33:36 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id KAA21665 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17159 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:14 GMT Received: from hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net ([38.202.36.29]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17154; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:10 GMT Received: from alexis ([216.101.152.13]) by hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991116170323.RYZB4501.hvmta01-stg@alexis>; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:03:23 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alexis Bor" To: "'Mark Miller'" , "'Konstantin Chuguev'" Cc: "'Thomas Lenggenhager'" , "'NameFLOW Forum'" , Old-Subject: RE: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:02:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01bf3054$52bd7f80$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's PSInet and US GSA had a discussion about this a couple of years ago. You might want to contact Marion Royal at GSA for a lead on that. I have copied him on the message. -- Alexis -----Original Message----- From: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk [mailto:owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk]On Behalf Of Mark Miller Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:44 AM To: Konstantin Chuguev Cc: Thomas Lenggenhager; NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Konstantin, Do you have any plans to begin upgrading the nameflow service from X.500(88) to X.500(93)? I am interested in seeing this service survive & this upgrade would be necessary for it to continue. Also, do you know if anyone will be assuming responsibility for the c=US subtree? Mark. On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:19:22 +0000 Konstantin Chuguev wrote: | Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: | > | > Hello Konstantin | > | > Great, that you act on this. I shortly checked the list. To my experience, | > cn=Woolly Spider Monkey is up and running. | > | Oops. Really. The probing script is broken. It does not recognize | multiple values of presentationAddress splitted by '|'. I am going to | fix it before I make any cleaning. Maybe I better write my own. | | Thomas, thank you very much. You saved us of removing live DSA's! | | > What will your action be, once you decide which DSAs to remove? | > In my opinion it is necessary to | > - remove all the country entries mastered by one of these DSAs. | > - to adapt all country entries which refer to one of the removed | > DSAs as slaveDSAs. | > - to modify all remaining DSAs that the eDBInfo reflects the correct | > master/slave relationship. | > | Exactly, and also to remove the DSA's from dsaptailor. | | > Good luck for your clean-up job to complete successfully. | > | > Kind regards, | > Thomas Lenggenhager | > | | Thanks for your help. | | -- | * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer | * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road | * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom | D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Tue Nov 16 11:14:44 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id LAA23402 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19095 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:01:19 GMT Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19073; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:00:50 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08872; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:00:50 GMT Message-ID: <38319BD2.EF5AF86D@dante.org.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:00:50 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Miller CC: Thomas Lenggenhager , NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: <3831219A.F610FBE8@dante.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Mark Miller wrote: > > Konstantin, > > Do you have any plans to begin upgrading the nameflow service from > X.500(88) to X.500(93)? I am interested in seeing this service survive & > this upgrade would be necessary for it to continue. > At least I am planning to test the available x.500(93) software in the nearest future. We need the software compatible with Quipu EDB replication protocol to upgrade smoothly. > Also, do you know if anyone will be assuming responsibility for the > c=US subtree? > I am looking for such organisation now. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 05:54:28 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id FAA29657 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 05:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09613 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:45:48 GMT Received: from dragon.directory.dfn.de (dragon.directory.dfn.de [134.2.217.35]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09607; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:45:45 GMT Received: (from zrdsa01@localhost) by dragon.directory.dfn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA32374; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:45:44 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38319BD2.EF5AF86D@dante.org.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:45:44 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de Organization: ZDV=?us-ascii?Q?_Universit=E4t?= =?us-ascii?Q?_T=FCbingen?= From: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de To: Konstantin Chuguev Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: NameFLOW Forum , Thomas Lenggenhager , Mark Miller Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Hi! Hmmm,.... is there a way for a 'smooth update' to x.500(93)? We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, just to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed and which software is used? Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? Cheers, Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services On 16-Nov-99 Konstantin Chuguev wrote: > Mark Miller wrote: > > > > Konstantin, > > > > Do you have any plans to begin upgrading the nameflow service from > > X.500(88) to X.500(93)? I am interested in seeing this service survive & > > this upgrade would be necessary for it to continue. > > > At least I am planning to test the available x.500(93) software in the > nearest future. We need the software compatible with Quipu EDB > replication protocol to upgrade smoothly. > > > Also, do you know if anyone will be assuming responsibility for the > > c=US subtree? > > > I am looking for such organisation now. > > -- > * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer > * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road > * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom > D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services ########################################################################### # # # Dr. Markus Sauer Tel. +49 7071 29-70335 # # DFN Directory Services Fax. +49 7071 29-5912 # # Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung # # Universitaet Tuebingen # # Waechterstrasse 76 # # 72074 Tuebingen E-Mail: markus.sauer@directory.dfn.de # # WWW: www.directory.dfn.de # ########################################################################### From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 06:00:02 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id GAA29840 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09717 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:51:11 GMT Received: from limmat.switch.ch (limmat.switch.ch [130.59.4.30]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09712; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:51:09 GMT Received: from limmat ([130.59.4.30] helo=limmat.switch.ch) by limmat.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #3) id 11o4YG-0003Mw-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:51:08 +0100 To: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de cc: Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum , Mark Miller Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Message from Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:45:44 +0100." References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <12952.942843067.1@limmat.switch.ch> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:51:08 +0100 From: Thomas Lenggenhager Message-Id: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk If I remember correctly (I didn't check it out again just now) the old Quipu DSA based on Isode Consortium code will continue to work and will be able to exchange their EDB files. The Quipu servers affected are the ones based on public code. They should continue to run but will no longer be able to exchange their EDBs. So I can tell you that the FLDSA for c=CH will still be around running on Isode Quipu 3.1 code. Thomas ___________ SWITCH - The Swiss Academic and Research Network ___________ Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, Limmatquai 138, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland lenggenhager@switch.ch Tel: +41 1 268 1520 Fax: +41 1 268 1568 On Wednesday, 17 Nov 1999, Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de writes: > Hi! > > Hmmm,.... is there a way for a 'smooth update' to x.500(93)? > > We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, just > to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed > and which software is used? > Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? > > Cheers, > Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 06:28:36 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id GAA00993 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10944 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:25:41 GMT Received: from survis.surfnet.nl (survis.surfnet.nl [192.87.108.3]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10938; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:25:39 GMT Received: from surah.surfnet.nl by survis.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:25:23 +0100 Received: from surfnet.nl (actually host verschur.tunnel.surfnet.nl) by surah.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:25:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3832ACBC.8A545ECF@surfnet.nl> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:25:16 +0100 From: Ton Verschuren X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de CC: Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum , Mark Miller Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de wrote: > We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, just > to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed > and which software is used? > Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? SURFnet (NL) is currently moving from Nexor MMDSA (no exchange of EDB files anymore after 1-1-00) to a FL LDAP referral server. We're also interested in a global DIT, but not (necessarily) based on X.500 ;-) We're "stimulating" DANTE to make the current DIT also accessible for LDAPv3 servers. Cheers, Ton. From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 07:28:56 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id HAA03347 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13032 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:13:00 GMT Received: from gamma.dante.org.uk (gamma.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.23]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12865; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:06:09 GMT X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: Thomas Lenggenhager cc: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum , Mark Miller Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's X-Organisation: DANTE X-Telephone: +44/0 1223 302 992 X-Fax: +44/0 1223 303 005 In-reply-to: Message from Thomas Lenggenhager of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:51:08 +0100 ; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:06:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9156.942847569@gamma.dante.org.uk> From: Vincent Berkhout Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Thomas, I have asked Konstantin to investigate what will actually break with the Nameflow or publice domain version of the Quipu software getedb operation where the problem could occur because of the 99 to 00 jump in the date format. He will test this on two different machines, but those machines will be in use until at least the end of this week. From an initial assessment it does not look to optimistic, but if anyone has done the test already this info would be greatly appreciated. One scenario we though of was to put the 1 jan 2000 edb on the web and use this to jump start the dsas, but this does not necessary work ... Vinc& V>If I remember correctly (I didn't check it out again just now) the old V>Quipu DSA based on Isode Consortium code will continue to work and will V>be able to exchange their EDB files. V> V>The Quipu servers affected are the ones based on public code. They should V>continue to run but will no longer be able to exchange their EDBs. V> V>So I can tell you that the FLDSA for c=CH will still be around running V>on Isode Quipu 3.1 code. V> V>Thomas V> V> ___________ SWITCH - The Swiss Academic and Research Network ___________ V> Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, Limmatquai 138, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland V> lenggenhager@switch.ch Tel: +41 1 268 1520 Fax: +41 1 268 1568 V> V>On Wednesday, 17 Nov 1999, Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de writes: V>> Hi! V>> V>> Hmmm,.... is there a way for a 'smooth update' to x.500(93)? V>> V>> We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, j ust V>> to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed V>> and which software is used? V>> Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? V>> V>> Cheers, V>> Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services V> From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 07:29:49 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id HAA03460 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13278 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:18:43 GMT Received: from gamma.dante.org.uk (gamma.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.23]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13270; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:18:32 GMT X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: Ton Verschuren cc: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum , Mark Miller Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's X-Organisation: DANTE X-Telephone: +44/0 1223 302 992 X-Fax: +44/0 1223 303 005 In-reply-to: Message from Ton Verschuren of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:25:16 +0100 ; <3832ACBC.8A545ECF@surfnet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:18:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9181.942848312@gamma.dante.org.uk> From: Vincent Berkhout Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Ton, In cooperation with Brunel we hope to deliver this before the end of the year, however it will still be based initially on X.500 where we plan to use this as a "storage repository" out of which we will edb2ldif a top level data file *and* an ldap referral file. The latter will be the interresting part as we haven't figured out exactly how this would work as it has to be eaten by the various ldap (v3) servers ... Vinc& V>Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de wrote: V> V>> We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, j ust V>> to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed V>> and which software is used? V>> Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? V> V>SURFnet (NL) is currently moving from Nexor MMDSA (no exchange of EDB V>files anymore after 1-1-00) to a FL LDAP referral server. We're also V>interested in a global DIT, but not (necessarily) based on X.500 ;-) V>We're "stimulating" DANTE to make the current DIT also accessible for V>LDAPv3 servers. V> V>Cheers, V>Ton. V> From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 08:31:54 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id IAA06343 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15512 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:18:39 GMT Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15507; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:18:34 GMT Received: from escher.esys.ca (escher.esys.ca [198.161.92.96]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id IAA11993; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:18:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199911171518.IAA11993@demo.esys.ca> From: Mark Miller Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:18:18 -0700 To: Thomas Lenggenhager Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Message-ID: Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.1 Build (9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" I have done a number of upgrades from the Isode Quipu based systems to newer X.500(93) releases - it is not that difficult. Then again, my company has merged with what was previously Isode, so we have a bit of an advantage in that area :-). I have a short HOWTO document that describes the steps involved in migrating from a Quipu based public directory into the newer releases of the Isode dsa (R4.0 and up) - if anyone is interested I can send it out to them. Mark. On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:51:08 +0100 Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: | If I remember correctly (I didn't check it out again just now) the old | Quipu DSA based on Isode Consortium code will continue to work and will | be able to exchange their EDB files. | | The Quipu servers affected are the ones based on public code. They should | continue to run but will no longer be able to exchange their EDBs. | | So I can tell you that the FLDSA for c=CH will still be around running | on Isode Quipu 3.1 code. | | Thomas | | ___________ SWITCH - The Swiss Academic and Research Network ___________ | Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, Limmatquai 138, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland | lenggenhager@switch.ch Tel: +41 1 268 1520 Fax: +41 1 268 1568 | | On Wednesday, 17 Nov 1999, Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de writes: | > Hi! | > | > Hmmm,.... is there a way for a 'smooth update' to x.500(93)? | > | > We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, just | > to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed | > and which software is used? | > Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? | > | > Cheers, | > Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 17 08:34:27 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id IAA06552 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15559 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:20:26 GMT Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15539; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:20:02 GMT Received: from escher.esys.ca (escher.esys.ca [198.161.92.96]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id IAA12001; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:20:00 -0700 From: Mark Miller Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:20:00 -0700 To: Vincent Berkhout Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: Thomas Lenggenhager , Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum In-Reply-To: <9156.942847569@gamma.dante.org.uk> References: <9156.942847569@gamma.dante.org.uk> Message from Thomas Lenggenhager of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:51:08 +0100 ; Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.1 Build (9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk I have not tested this - but I would be mostly concerned about the shadowing support. Mark. On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:06:09 +0000 Vincent Berkhout wrote: | | Hi Thomas, | | I have asked Konstantin to investigate what will actually break with the | Nameflow or publice domain version of the Quipu software getedb operation | where the problem could occur because of the 99 to 00 jump in the date | format. He will test this on two different machines, but those machines | will be in use until at least the end of this week. | | From an initial assessment it does not look to optimistic, but if anyone | has done the test already this info would be greatly appreciated. One | scenario we though of was to put the 1 jan 2000 edb on the web and use | this to jump start the dsas, but this does not necessary work ... | | Vinc& | | | V>If I remember correctly (I didn't check it out again just now) the old | V>Quipu DSA based on Isode Consortium code will continue to work and will | V>be able to exchange their EDB files. | V> | V>The Quipu servers affected are the ones based on public code. They should | V>continue to run but will no longer be able to exchange their EDBs. | V> | V>So I can tell you that the FLDSA for c=CH will still be around running | V>on Isode Quipu 3.1 code. | V> | V>Thomas | V> | V> ___________ SWITCH - The Swiss Academic and Research Network ___________ | V> Thomas Lenggenhager, SWITCH, Limmatquai 138, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland | V> lenggenhager@switch.ch Tel: +41 1 268 1520 Fax: +41 1 268 1568 | V> | V>On Wednesday, 17 Nov 1999, Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de writes: | V>> Hi! | V>> | V>> Hmmm,.... is there a way for a 'smooth update' to x.500(93)? | V>> | V>> We also are interested in the surviving of a global X.500 directory, so, j | ust | V>> to get an impression: How many x.500(93) FLDSA are online or planed | V>> and which software is used? | V>> Or more common, how many FLDSAs will exist after the 1st. january? | V>> | V>> Cheers, | V>> Markus Sauer, DFN Directory Services | V> | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 02:01:49 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id CAA11405 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03028 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:00:18 GMT Received: from limmat.switch.ch (limmat.switch.ch [130.59.4.30]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03011; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:00:16 GMT Received: from limmat ([130.59.4.30] helo=limmat.switch.ch) by limmat.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #3) id 11oNQN-0007BY-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:00:15 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Vincent Berkhout cc: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum , Mark Miller Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Message from Vincent Berkhout of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:06:09 +0000." <9156.942847569@gamma.dante.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:00:15 +0100 From: Thomas Lenggenhager Message-Id: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk In the mean time I grabbed through my mail archive and found the message I vaguely remembered. I attach a copy below. Anyhow, your tests are appreciated. > I have asked Konstantin to investigate what will actually break with the > Nameflow or publice domain version of the Quipu software getedb operation > where the problem could occur because of the 99 to 00 jump in the date > format. He will test this on two different machines, but those machines > will be in use until at least the end of this week. > > From an initial assessment it does not look to optimistic, but if anyone > has done the test already this info would be greatly appreciated. One > scenario we though of was to put the 1 jan 2000 edb on the web and use > this to jump start the dsas, but this does not necessary work ... > > Vinc& -------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:36:29 +0100 Subject: Answer from Isode about Quipu and Y2K Here the quick answer from Isode. (Slightly edited to remove things which are not relevant for Quipu) According to the message I should be on the save side with cn=Chinchilla, which is IC3.1v1. This info was sent to me personally. I asked David Wilson whether I can redistribute it and he agreed provided I do the modifications I applied now. Thomas ------- Forwarded Message To: Thomas Lenggenhager cc: info@isode.com, support@isode.com Subject: Re: Year 2000 and Times in Isode Code In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:50:22 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:32:53 +0000 Message-ID: <16818.885911573@isode.com> From: David Wilson > Hello, > > On 30 Apr 1997, Gillian Greenwood sent a message about the Y2K > situation of Isode software. > > Now I heard rumours that Quipu is not Y2K safe. Can you comment on that? > It might be that this is only true for the old public domain version. > - Can you confirm that IC 3.x Quipu is Y2K safe? > - Do you by chance now about the status of the public domain version? > It is still in use at different sites... > > Many thanks for your clarifications. > > Thomas Lenggenhager We believe that R3.1v1 is Y2K safe (...). The background is that the following time types are encountered: Protocol GeneralizedTime This has 4 digits for the year UTCTime This has 2 digits for the year Isode UTC structure This uses 4 digit years, i.e. year 2001 is 2001 OS Library struct tm This uses an int for the year, measured from 1900, i.e. year 2001 is 101 time_t This is seconds from 1 Jan 1970, no explicit year problem By R3.1v1 the routines which convert between these types had all been updated to be Y2K safe. As UTCTime has only two year digits, you have to assume an 'epoch'. libisode assumes that the year is in the range 1980..2079. The publicly available ISODE library has a number of bugs in this area. So the pumice Quipu is definitely not Y2K safe. Time comparisions using other than protocol forms (which are strings) work. Actually these are done by converting to time_t, and then comparing the integers. This is necessary because the other forms all have a timezone, so even without the Y2K problems the times need to be normalized. (...) Does this clarify the issues? regards - -- David Wilson D.Wilson@isode.com Isode Ltd. Tel: +44 181 332 9091 http://www.isode.com Fax: +44 181 332 9019 ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 02:07:07 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id CAA11547 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03192 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:10:32 GMT Received: from limmat.switch.ch (limmat.switch.ch [130.59.4.30]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03187; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:10:31 GMT Received: from limmat ([130.59.4.30] helo=limmat.switch.ch) by limmat.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #3) id 11oNaI-0007Kd-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:10:30 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Miller cc: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Message from Mark Miller of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:18:18 -0700." <199911171518.IAA11993@demo.esys.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:10:30 +0100 From: Thomas Lenggenhager Message-Id: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Mark, Thank you for your offer. It is not that I did not know how to do it, it is more that I am not keen to migrate to it as long as I am not convinced that it is really necessary or offers me additional features. I tend more towards a solution without X.500, now that all but one of our customers moved to LDAP. Thomas > I have done a number of upgrades from the Isode Quipu based systems to > newer X.500(93) releases - it is not that difficult. Then again, my > company has merged with what was previously Isode, so we have a bit of > an advantage in that area :-). > > I have a short HOWTO document that describes the steps involved in > migrating from a Quipu based public directory into the newer releases > of the Isode dsa (R4.0 and up) - if anyone is interested I can send it > out to them. > > Mark. From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 03:31:08 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id DAA13017 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06104 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:17:11 GMT Received: from mail.pi.se (mail.pi.se [195.7.64.8]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06097; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:17:07 GMT Received: from catalogix.ac.se (ppp249.uio.no [129.240.241.10]) by mail.pi.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14154; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:15:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:12:08 +0100 From: Roland Hedberg Organization: Catalogix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Lenggenhager CC: Mark Miller , Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: > I tend more towards a solution without X.500, now that all but one > of our customers moved to LDAP. IMHO Thomas has absolutely right, any solution today that does not deal with the fact that the number of 'pure' LDAP servers far outnumber the number of X.500 servers are going to fail and fail bitterly. -- Roland ------------------------------------------------ Roland Hedberg phone : +47 23 08 29 96 Dalsveien 53 mobile(NO): +47 90 66 44 52 No-0775 Oslo mobile(SE): +46 70 520 420 3 Norway From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 08:53:03 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id IAA21488 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18448 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:41:17 GMT Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18441; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:41:08 GMT Received: from escher.esys.ca (escher.esys.ca [198.161.92.96]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id IAA13594; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:36:22 -0700 From: Mark Miller Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:36:22 -0700 To: Roland Hedberg Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: Thomas Lenggenhager , Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de, Konstantin Chuguev , NameFLOW Forum In-Reply-To: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> References: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.1 Build (9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk I do not see any problem with that - there is no reason that X.500 cannot interoperate with LDAP using LDAP referrals. I believe that using X.500 for country level directories has some benefits, but that does not have to exclude supporting LDAP. Mark. On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:12:08 +0100 Roland Hedberg wrote: | Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: | | > I tend more towards a solution without X.500, now that all but one | > of our customers moved to LDAP. | | IMHO Thomas has absolutely right, any solution today that does not | deal with the fact that the number of 'pure' LDAP servers far outnumber | the number of X.500 servers are going to fail and fail bitterly. | | -- Roland | ------------------------------------------------ | Roland Hedberg phone : +47 23 08 29 96 | Dalsveien 53 mobile(NO): +47 90 66 44 52 | No-0775 Oslo mobile(SE): +46 70 520 420 3 | Norway | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 09:52:59 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id JAA24876 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20716 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:48:53 GMT Received: from hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net ([38.202.36.29]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20710; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:48:50 GMT Received: from alexis ([216.101.152.13]) by hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991118164800.DZFV4501.hvmta01-stg@alexis>; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:48:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alexis Bor" To: "'Roland Hedberg'" , "'Thomas Lenggenhager'" Cc: "'Mark Miller'" , , "'Konstantin Chuguev'" , "'NameFLOW Forum'" Old-Subject: RE: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:46:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf31e4$7ea65e00$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP Servers', what do you really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 product out there is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. Each of these products implements behind the scenes protocols and technologies - why single out X.500? -- Alexis -----Original Message----- From: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk [mailto:owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk]On Behalf Of Roland Hedberg Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 3:12 AM To: Thomas Lenggenhager Cc: Mark Miller; Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de; Konstantin Chuguev; NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: > I tend more towards a solution without X.500, now that all but one > of our customers moved to LDAP. IMHO Thomas has absolutely right, any solution today that does not deal with the fact that the number of 'pure' LDAP servers far outnumber the number of X.500 servers are going to fail and fail bitterly. -- Roland ------------------------------------------------ Roland Hedberg phone : +47 23 08 29 96 Dalsveien 53 mobile(NO): +47 90 66 44 52 No-0775 Oslo mobile(SE): +46 70 520 420 3 Norway From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 10:11:42 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id KAA26260 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21344 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:12:20 GMT Received: from lancaster.nexor.co.uk (lancaster.nexor.co.uk [193.63.53.1]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21336; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:12:11 GMT Received: from crusader (actually host crusader.nexor.co.uk) by lancaster.nexor.co.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:11:24 +0000 From: Colin Robbins To: "'alexis.bor'" , "'Roland Hedberg'" , "'Thomas Lenggenhager'" Cc: "'Mark Miller'" , "'Markus.Sauer'" , "'Konstantin Chuguev'" , "'NameFLOW Forum'" Old-Subject: RE: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:11:20 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01bf31e7$f0194ea0$ea353fc1@crusader.nexor.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF31E7.F0194EA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <000d01bf31e4$7ea65e00$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF31E7.F0194EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP > Servers', what do you > really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 > product out there > is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet > (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. I think there is general market confusion as to what an LDAP server is. At a recent EMA meeting, Ed Anderson from Novell offered the following categorisation: What is an LDAP server? LDAP Servers Typically X.500-based directories Native support for LDAP LDAP Gateways Database systems with LDAP front end Other data stores with LDAP front end Could be anything LDAP Responders Server products designed specifically to respond to LDAP requests The major point about the distinction is how the product fit into a distributed service. Clearly at the higher levels of a DIT, you need something that can "manage" a distributed environment, and I suggest using the labels above, only an "LDAP Server" is capable of this. However, to run an organizational directory that connects to a higher level service, any of the three will do. The choice will depend upon other organisational objectives. Colin ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF31E7.F0194EA0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Colin Robbins.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Colin Robbins.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Robbins;Colin FN:Colin Robbins ORG:NEXOR;Marketing TITLE:Product Strategist TEL;WORK;VOICE:+44 115 952 0583 TEL;WORK;VOICE:+44 115 952 0500 TEL;CELL;VOICE:+44 7957 297 294 TEL;WORK;FAX:+44 115 952 0519 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Rutherford = House=3D0D=3D0ANottingham Science & Technology = Park=3D0D=3D0AUniversity=3D Boulevard;Nottingham;;NG7 2PZ;United Kingdom LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Rutherford = House=3D0D=3D0ANottingham Science & Technology Park=3D0D=3D0AUniversity = B=3D oulevard=3D0D=3D0ANottingham NG7 2PZ=3D0D=3D0AUnited Kingdom URL: URL:http://www.nexor.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Colin.Robbins@nexor.com REV:19991102T131750Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BF31E7.F0194EA0-- From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 13:22:22 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id NAA04338 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26943 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:08:29 GMT Received: from mail.pi.se (mail.pi.se [195.7.64.8]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26939 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:08:25 GMT Received: from catalogix.ac.se (ppp288.uio.no [129.240.241.49]) by mail.pi.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28720; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:04:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38346945.D351CB7F@catalogix.ac.se> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:01:57 +0100 From: Roland Hedberg Organization: Catalogix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Robbins CC: "'alexis.bor'" , NameFlow-forum@dante.org.uk Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: <003e01bf31e7$f0194ea0$ea353fc1@crusader.nexor.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Robbins wrote: > > > Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP > > Servers', what do you > > really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 > > product out there > > is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet > > (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. > > I think there is general market confusion as to what an LDAP server is. Could be, but that is perhaps a bit beside the point I was trying to make. It seems though, that I chose the wrong terminology. So I'll try to be more precise in this mail. Whatever software it is that appears to a LDAP client as a LDAP server my conception is that this software to a diminishing extend also has the abilities that one expects from a X.500 server (DAP, DOP, DISP,... ) All the examples that Alexis gave falls into this category. And that is what I meant by "pure". One can have different opinions on how one is to build a large integrated distributed directory under these constraints. I have my pet solutions other persons has theirs. But my belif is that it is very seldom, and it is going to be even more so, that you just can use the X.500 way of doing things. -- Roland ------------------------------------------------ Roland Hedberg phone : +47 23 08 29 96 Dalsveien 53 mobile(NO): +47 90 66 44 52 No-0775 Oslo mobile(SE): +46 70 520 420 3 Norway From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 14:02:09 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id OAA05824 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28509 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:05:06 GMT Received: from limmat.switch.ch (limmat.switch.ch [130.59.4.30]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28505 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:05:04 GMT Received: from limmat ([130.59.4.30] helo=limmat.switch.ch) by limmat.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #3) id 11oYjn-0007Z0-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:05:03 +0100 To: alexis.bor@DirectoryWorks.com cc: "'NameFLOW Forum'" Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Message from "Alexis Bor" of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:46:42 -0800." <000d01bf31e4$7ea65e00$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> References: <000d01bf31e4$7ea65e00$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <29076.942959102.1@limmat.switch.ch> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:05:03 +0100 From: Thomas Lenggenhager Message-Id: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk What about this interpretation: LDAP = Lightweight Directory Access Protocol pure LDAP server = server with LDAP only (i.e. no X.500-DAP or X.500-DSP) Thomas On Thursday, 18 Nov 1999, "Alexis Bor" writes: > Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP Servers', what do you > really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 product out there > is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet > (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. > > Each of these products implements behind the scenes protocols and > technologies - why single out X.500? > > -- Alexis From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 14:10:32 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id OAA06624 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28694 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:11:01 GMT Received: from hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net ([38.202.36.29]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28686 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:10:54 GMT Received: from alexis ([216.101.152.13]) by hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991118211010.FKQC4501.hvmta01-stg@alexis>; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:10:10 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Alexis Bor" To: "'Thomas Lenggenhager'" Cc: "'NameFLOW Forum'" Old-Subject: RE: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:08:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf3209$1f0e7980$180910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Does that mean that Active Directory and NDS qualify in your definition? -- Alexis -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Lenggenhager [mailto:lenggenhager@switch.ch] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 1:05 PM To: alexis.bor@directoryworks.com Cc: 'NameFLOW Forum' Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's What about this interpretation: LDAP = Lightweight Directory Access Protocol pure LDAP server = server with LDAP only (i.e. no X.500-DAP or X.500-DSP) Thomas On Thursday, 18 Nov 1999, "Alexis Bor" writes: > Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP Servers', what do you > really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 product out there > is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet > (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. > > Each of these products implements behind the scenes protocols and > technologies - why single out X.500? > > -- Alexis From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 14:09:15 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id OAA06533 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28671 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:10:10 GMT Received: from limmat.switch.ch (limmat.switch.ch [130.59.4.30]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28667 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:10:08 GMT Received: from limmat ([130.59.4.30] helo=limmat.switch.ch) by limmat.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #3) id 11oYoi-0007aR-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:10:08 +0100 To: Mark Miller cc: NameFLOW Forum Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's In-reply-to: Message from Mark Miller of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:36:22 -0700." References: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <29165.942959407.1@limmat.switch.ch> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:10:08 +0100 From: Thomas Lenggenhager Message-Id: Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk You are rather unspecific about the 'some benefits' for country level directories. I do not yet see the convincing reasons when all the directories below use LDAP as their only access protocol. More protocols implemented in a product generally means more config complexity and higher costs... Thomas On Thursday, 18 Nov 1999, Mark Miller writes: > I do not see any problem with that - there is no reason that X.500 > cannot interoperate with LDAP using LDAP referrals. I believe that > using X.500 for country level directories has some benefits, but that > does not have to exclude supporting LDAP. > > Mark. From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 14:53:57 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id OAA10292 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00620 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:56:16 GMT Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00616 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:56:14 GMT Received: from escher.esys.ca (escher.esys.ca [198.161.92.96]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id OAA14329; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:56:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199911182156.OAA14329@demo.esys.ca> From: Mark Miller Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:56:10 -0700 To: Thomas Lenggenhager Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's Cc: NameFLOW Forum In-Reply-To: References: <3833DF08.9758629@catalogix.ac.se> Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Message-ID: Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.1 Build (9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" As a start, if anyone wants to run a DSP connected X.500 server with true subtree delegation & possibly DISP shadowing, this could be very difficult if all the country level servers are LDAP that can only support ldap referrals. I believe that we want to start with a base that is a superset of the protocols that need to be supported - rather than starting with a base that is the minimum set of protocols. Mark. On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:10:08 +0100 Thomas Lenggenhager wrote: | You are rather unspecific about the 'some benefits' for country level | directories. I do not yet see the convincing reasons when all the | directories below use LDAP as their only access protocol. | | More protocols implemented in a product generally means more config | complexity and higher costs... | | Thomas | | On Thursday, 18 Nov 1999, Mark Miller writes: | > I do not see any problem with that - there is no reason that X.500 | > cannot interoperate with LDAP using LDAP referrals. I believe that | > using X.500 for country level directories has some benefits, but that | > does not have to exclude supporting LDAP. | > | > Mark. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Miller mailto:Mark.Miller@MessagingDirect.com 1-780-424-4922 x336 http://www.messagingdirect.com/ *+*+ M-power your e-business *+*+ From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 15:06:06 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id PAA11213 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00838 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:05:26 GMT Received: from mail.pi.se (mail.pi.se [195.7.64.8]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00834 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:05:25 GMT Received: from catalogix.ac.se (ppp264.uio.no [129.240.241.25]) by mail.pi.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19975; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:05:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38348572.AD6BED89@catalogix.ac.se> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:02:10 +0100 From: Roland Hedberg Organization: Catalogix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexis.bor@DirectoryWorks.com CC: "'NameFLOW Forum'" Subject: Re: Unavailable X.500 DSA's References: <000d01bf31e4$7ea65e00$6e0910ac@adtest.directoryworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Alexis Bor wrote: > > Now I am confused. From the perspective of 'Pure LDAP Servers', what do you > really mean? I believe that in this context, every X.500 product out there > is a 'Pure LDAP Server', as well as NDS, Active Directory, iPlanet > (Netscape) Directory Server, Oracle, and many others. > > Each of these products implements behind the scenes protocols and > technologies - why single out X.500? I do know that; what Thomas ( I believe ) and I are concerned about is people who wants to insert X.500/LDAP servers into a group of LDAP-only servers because they are X.500 servers. I honestly don't see any reason for doing that. But, I don't advocate that organizations that for some reason wants to buy a specific X.500/LDAP server should not do that. Depending on the local environment and the proposed usage of the directory server some implementations are better than the rest. If that gives you a X.500 server too, when you only wanted a LDAP server, that's another matter. -- Roland ------------------------------------------------ Roland Hedberg phone : +47 23 08 29 96 Dalsveien 53 mobile(NO): +47 90 66 44 52 No-0775 Oslo mobile(SE): +46 70 520 420 3 Norway From helm@fionn.es.net Tue Nov 16 13:01:10 1999 To: frank.lalley@gsa.gov Reply-to: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: X.500 DSA for c=US? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:01:07 -0800 From: Michael Helm Received: from localhost by localhost Message-Id: <"H9MuFB.A.m4G.WYcM4"@fionn> I'm looking for information on the c=US portion of the world-wide X.500 DIT. This used to be hosted by PSI, but apparently they've abandoned this business. Did GSA inherit the various US entities, such as ourselves & other US national laboratories, from PSI? I'm not at all sure what the current situation is. Could we arrange a time to talk about this? Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm (helm@fionn.es.net) (+1 510 486 7248) Berkeley Lab/ESnet Replied: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:18:45 -0800 Replied: helm@fionn.es.net Replied: frank.lalley@gsa.gov Replied: dennis.groh@gsa.gov Replied: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:04:59 -0800 Replied: helm@fionn.es.net Replied: dennis.groh@gsa.gov From frank.lalley@gsa.gov Wed Nov 17 13:17:28 1999 Received: from scog-notessmtp1.gsa.gov (host.198-78-78-141.gsa.gov [198.78.78.141]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id NAA17576 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) From: frank.lalley@gsa.gov X-Authentication-Warning: fionn.es.net: Host host.198-78-78-141.gsa.gov [198.78.78.141] claimed to be scog-notessmtp1.gsa.gov Subject: Re: X.500 DSA for c=US? To: dennis.groh@gsa.gov Cc: helm@fionn.es.net Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SCOG-NOTESSMTP1/GSAEXTERNAL(Release 5.0.1b|September 30, 1999) at 11/17/99 04:18:52 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Denny ...Please contact Mr. Helm From: AT internet on 11/16/99 01:01 PM To: Frank E. Lalley/TO/CO/GSA/GOV cc: Subject: X.500 DSA for c=US? I'm looking for information on the c=US portion of the world-wide X.500 DIT. This used to be hosted by PSI, but apparently they've abandoned this business. Did GSA inherit the various US entities, such as ourselves & other US national laboratories, from PSI? I'm not at all sure what the current situation is. Could we arrange a time to talk about this? Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm (helm@fionn.es.net) (+1 510 486 7248) Berkeley Lab/ESnet Replied: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:07:29 -0800 Replied: helm@fionn.es.net Replied: dennis.groh@gsa.gov From helm@fionn.es.net Fri Nov 19 12:05:01 1999 To: dennis.groh@gsa.gov Reply-to: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: Re: X.500 DSA for c=US? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:58 EST." Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:04:59 -0800 From: Michael Helm Received: from localhost by localhost Message-Id: <"ESxqGD.A.ZUG.t1aN4"@fionn> Could you get in touch with me? My phone/email addresses below. Thanks, ==mwh frank.lalley@gsa.gov writes: > > From: AT internet on 11/16/99 01:01 PM > I'm looking for information on the c=US portion of the world-wide X.500 > > Michael Helm (helm@fionn.es.net) (+1 510 486 7248) > Berkeley Lab/ESnet > > > > > > > > > From helm@fionn.es.net Tue Nov 30 16:18:48 1999 To: frank.lalley@gsa.gov cc: dennis.groh@gsa.gov Reply-to: helm@fionn.es.net Subject: Re: X.500 DSA for c=US? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:17:58 EST." Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:18:44 -0800 From: Michael Helm Received: from localhost by localhost Message-Id: <"kefc7.A.FLD.olGR4"@fionn> Hello -- I haven't heard from anyone past this message. Could someone get in touch with me? Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm (+1 510 486 7248) (mailto: helm@fionn.es.net) Berkeley Lab/ESnet frank.lalley@gsa.gov writes: > > Denny ...Please contact Mr. Helm > > > > From: AT internet on 11/16/99 01:01 PM > > To: Frank E. Lalley/TO/CO/GSA/GOV > cc: > > Subject: X.500 DSA for c=US? > > > > > I'm looking for information on the c=US portion of the world-wide X.500 > DIT. This used to be hosted by PSI, but apparently they've abandoned this > business. > > Did GSA inherit the various US entities, such as ourselves & > other US national laboratories, from PSI? I'm not at all > sure what the current situation is. Could we arrange a time > to talk about this? Thanks, ==mwh > > Michael Helm (helm@fionn.es.net) (+1 510 486 7248) > Berkeley Lab/ESnet > > > > > > > > > From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 08:03:25 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id IAA19529 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16091 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:44:19 GMT Received: from mx01.uni-tuebingen.de (mx01.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.3.11]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16063; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:42:19 GMT From: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de Received: from dragon.directory.dfn.de (dragon.directory.dfn.de [134.2.217.35]) by mx01.uni-tuebingen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20411; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:39:56 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <382FD776.45E08CA3@dante.org.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:39:45 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de Organization: ZDV=?us-ascii?Q?_Universit=E4t?= =?us-ascii?Q?_T=FCbingen?= To: Konstantin Chuguev Subject: FLDSA c=DE Cc: NameFLOW Forum , Eva.Cirkvova@vse.cz, smolenova@uakom.sk, enver.sehovic@etf.hr, postmaster@iihe.ac.be, mani@iitd.ernet.in, postmaster@wonder.net.tw, hostmaster@deneb.dfn.de, francis@nii.ncb.gov.sg, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, Manu.Mahonen@csc.fi, Donal.OMahony@cs.tcd.ie, hostmaster@inmarsat.org, marc.stiefer@restena.lu, tetenyi@sztaki.hu, benyo@lutra.sztaki.hu, zhaom@Taurus.synet.edu.cn, postmaster@pec.etri.re.kr, juli@hunch.cc.huji.ac.il, celestino.tomas@rediris.es, katalog-hjelp@tyholt.uninett.no, galen@cs.msu.su, Steen.Linden@uni-c.dk, hostmaster@aarnet.edu.au, wpp-manager@psi.com Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Hi! For c=DE we are planing to start up a MessagingDirect IC-R5.0v2 DSA in the beginning of december. The date we have in mind to shut down the old X.500(88) cn=Puma is 8. Dezember 1999. This date might slightly change, but it is quite sure that the old Puma will be switched off before Xmas. The consequences are: 1. After the shutdown of the old cn=Puma c=DE cannot participate any more in the Quipu EDB exchange system. Of course shadowing agreements with other MD X.500(93) DSAs can be installed. Shadowing between DSAs of other manufactures still seems to be very problematic ... 2. We will set up cross references to all known country DSAs to stay connected to the world. The other way round Nameflow have to alter the knowledgeinformation for c=DE and set in the presentation adresse of our new 93 Puma, so c=DE is accessable. I think this should work, .... any comments, .... tips, ... provisos? Bye bye, Markus ########################################################################### # # # Dr. Markus Sauer Tel. +49 7071 29-70335 # # DFN Directory Services Fax. +49 7071 29-5912 # # Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung # # Universitaet Tuebingen # # Waechterstrasse 76 # # 72074 Tuebingen E-Mail: markus.sauer@directory.dfn.de # # WWW: www.directory.dfn.de # ########################################################################### From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Thu Nov 18 09:08:52 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id JAA22446 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18403 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:39:24 GMT Received: from aphrodite.brunel.ac.uk (aphrodite.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.128.4]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18348; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:37:39 GMT From: Andrew.Findlay@brunel.ac.uk Received: from alshain.brunel.ac.uk by aphrodite.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP-BRUNEL (PP); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:28:14 +0000 Message-Id: <20563.199911181528@alshain.brunel.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FLDSA c=DE To: Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:28:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Konstantin.Chuguev@dante.org.uk, NameFLOW-forum@dante.org.uk, Eva.Cirkvova@vse.cz, smolenova@uakom.sk, enver.sehovic@etf.hr, postmaster@iihe.ac.be, mani@iitd.ernet.in, postmaster@wonder.net.tw, hostmaster@deneb.dfn.de, francis@nii.ncb.gov.sg, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, Manu.Mahonen@csc.fi, Donal.OMahony@cs.tcd.ie, hostmaster@inmarsat.org, marc.stiefer@restena.lu, tetenyi@sztaki.hu, benyo@lutra.sztaki.hu, zhaom@Taurus.synet.edu.cn, postmaster@pec.etri.re.kr, juli@hunch.cc.huji.ac.il, celestino.tomas@rediris.es, katalog-hjelp@tyholt.uninett.no, galen@cs.msu.su, Steen.Linden@uni-c.dk, hostmaster@aarnet.edu.au, wpp-manager@psi.com In-Reply-To: from "Markus.Sauer@directory.dfn.de" at Nov 18, 99 03:39:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24-Brunel-1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk > For c=DE we are planing to start up a MessagingDirect IC-R5.0v2 DSA in the > 1. After the shutdown of the old cn=Puma c=DE cannot participate any more > in the Quipu EDB exchange system. Of course shadowing agreements with other > MD X.500(93) DSAs can be installed. Shadowing between DSAs of other > manufactures still seems to be very problematic ... > > 2. We will set up cross references to all known country DSAs to stay connected > to the world. The other way round Nameflow have to alter the > knowledgeinformation for c=DE and set in the presentation adresse of our > new 93 Puma, so c=DE is accessable. Sounds like a good plan to me. We plan to discuss a similar scheme with DANTE and MessagingDirect staff next week, and Brunel may run a c=GB DSA this way until UKERNA decide to do directory services again. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | From Andrew Findlay at Brunel University, Uxbridge, UB8 3PH, UK | | Andrew.Findlay@brunel.ac.uk +44 1895 203066 or +44 1895 274000 x2512 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Wed Nov 24 12:14:55 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id MAA06019 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07317 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:03:18 GMT Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07236; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:53:37 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21486; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:53:37 GMT Message-ID: <383C3431.D0D0AAA6@dante.org.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:53:37 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NameFLOW Forum , Markus Sauer , Markus Sauer , wpp-manager@psi.com, hostmaster@aarnet.edu.au, katalog-hjelp@tyholt.uninett.no, celestino.tomas@rediris.es, juli@hunch.cc.huji.ac.il, postmaster@pec.etri.re.kr, benyo@lutra.sztaki.hu, tetenyi@sztaki.hu, marc.stiefer@restena.lu, hostmaster@inmarsat.org, Manu.Mahonen@csc.fi, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, francis@nii.ncb.gov.sg, hostmaster@deneb.dfn.de, postmaster@wonder.net.tw, postmaster@iihe.ac.be, enver.sehovic@etf.hr, smolenova@uakom.sk, Eva.Cirkvova@vse.cz Old-Subject: Root DSA cleaning: interim results [Fwd: DSA List] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F581E0E7A0C6CC8C5B32BF8B" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Root DSA cleaning: interim results DSA List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F581E0E7A0C6CC8C5B32BF8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Attached is the table of all DSA's registered at Giant Tortoise. Now we have: - 20 working DSAs (however, one of them is a Slave DSA with the corresponding Master unavailable: c=SG); - 2 DSAs proven not to be maintained anymore (c=DK, c=IE); - 1 DSA fails when being probed by our script, but accepts TCP connection to the registered address and port (and it is for sure Quipu at the other side) (cn=Woolly Spider Monkey, c=BE); - 21 DSAs for which no response received now (and there were no mailer errors received as well); - 3 unavailable DSAs for which maintainters' Email addresses are invalid (c=CN, IN, RU). Thus, 5 DSAs will be removed tomorrow, Nov 25: Armadillo, Bear, Giant Panda, Irish Elk, Pelican. The corresponding country entries will be removed as well. I'd like to ask the maintainers of working DSAs to remove these 5 DSAs from their eDBinfo entries. We are planning to install the new root level DSA based on X.500 '93, supporting LDAP, before the end of the year. The old Quipu will be kept as well. Could you please inform me about your future plans regarding country level DSA maintenance. Are you going to move to X.500 '93 version as well, or to LDAP server, or you want to keep your current software? Your information will be very useful in planning painless migration of the root DSA to the recent standards and protocols. And of course, it will help to coordinate our efforts in case if you are changing your software too. Thank you. Konstantin. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net --------------F581E0E7A0C6CC8C5B32BF8B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: by kappa.dante.org.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07764; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:38:27 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:38:27 GMT From: isode (ROOT DSA) Message-Id: <199911241538.PAA07764@kappa.dante.org.uk> To: joy Subject: DSA List X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 1 cn=Alpaca commonName - Alpaca localityName - Troy, New York, US organizationName - U.S. DMD presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=38.8.25.2+17007 lastModifiedTime - Sun Jun 1 00:26:06 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 12.1 #2 (usdsa.psi.net) of Wed Jan 18 00:05:44 EST 1995 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 2 cn=Anaconda commonName - Anaconda localityName - AU organizationName - Australian Academic and Research Network presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.102.128.59+17705 lastModifiedTime - Tue Dec 20 11:53:30 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 12.1 #1 (jarrah.itd.adelaide.edu.au) of Tue Dec 27 23:38:04 CDT 1994 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 3 cn=Andean Cat commonName - andean cat organizationName - SUNET presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.239.16.132+17003 lastModifiedTime - Tue Mar 31 01:36:12 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 12.2 #2 (macavity.umdc.umu.se) of Fri Jul 28 14:56:49 MET DST 1995 status - OK 4 cn=Armadillo commonName - Armadillo localityName - Lyngby organizationName - UNI-C presentationAddress - Internet=130.228.3.3+17003|Int-X25=23830106331270+PID+03018100 lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 8 11:58:17 1996 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #4 (danpost3.uni-c.dk) of Wed Jan 13 14:28:44 MET 1993 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 5 cn=Arowana commonName - Arowana localityName - Singapore organizationName - Singapore Telecoms (STEMS) presentationAddress - Internet=165.21.30.42+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Dec 22 02:04:45 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 6.6 status - OK 6 cn=Bear commonName - Bear localityName - RU organizationName - Moscow State University organizationName - 4F ltd presentationAddress - Internet=158.250.17.22+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed May 28 08:58:21 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #7 (redserv) of Mon Sep 18 21:38:23 GMT+0300 1995 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 7 cn=Beluga Whale commonName - Beluga Whale localityName - CA organizationName - The Esys Corporation presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=198.161.92.144+17705 lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 26 15:25:31 1999 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #9 (leger.esys.ca) of Mon Oct 20 09:33:49 MDT 1997 status - OK 8 cn=Black Widow commonName - Black Widow localityName - Pisa organizationName - GARR-NIS presentationAddress - Internet=193.205.245.7+17003|Internet=131.114.192.5+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu Dec 17 14:49:30 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #3 (jolly) of Tue Dec 22 16:51:46 MET 1992 status - OK (193.205.245.7); TCP CONNECTION REFUSED (131.114.192.5) 9 cn=Boa Constrictor commonName - Boa Constrictor localityName - Bergen organizationName - UNINETT, Norway presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=158.37.8.11+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Oct 28 03:04:25 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #4 (due.uninett.no) of Fri Sep 19 13:46:02 MET DST 1997 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 10 cn=Caretta Caretta commonName - Caretta Caretta localityName - GR organizationName - FORTHnet presentationAddress - Internet=139.91.1.17+17003 lastModifiedTime - Mon Aug 3 15:53:51 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #1 (info) of Thu Jul 30 14:31:19 EET DST 1998 status - OK 11 cn=Cayman commonName - Cayman localityName - ES organizationName - Universidad Politecnica de Madrid presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=138.4.22.60+17003|IXI=2043145100011+PID+03018100|Int-X25=21452170985051+PID+03018100 lastModifiedTime - Fri Sep 23 13:28:47 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #2 (chinchon) of Fri Mar 12 17:45:04 MET 1993 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 12 cn=Chinchilla commonName - Chinchilla localityName - Z\cdurich localityName - Zurich localityName - Zuerich organizationName - SWITCH organizationName - SWIss TeleCommunication system for Higher education and research organizationName - Swiss Academic and Research Network organizationName - CH Master (SWITCH) presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.59.10.30+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Jun 30 08:35:24 1999 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #4 (limmat) of Thu Jun 10 17:25:06 MET DST 1999 status - OK 13 cn=Dorcan Gazelle commonName - Dorcan Gazelle localityName - Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Givat Ram, Jerusalem, Israel presentationAddress - Internet=132.64.4.13+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 20 15:27:50 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #14 (hunch.cc.huji.ac.il) of Sun Nov 6 15:44:11 GMT+0200 1994 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 14 cn=Dragon commonName - Dragon localityName - Taejon, Korea presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=129.254.201.8+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 29 04:29:13 1996 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (vision) of Thu Sep 14 15:14:13 KDT 1995 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 15 cn=Electric Eel commonName - Electric Eel localityName - Trondheim, Norway organizationName - UNINETT presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=129.241.1.99+17007 lastModifiedTime - Tue Feb 16 11:33:38 1999 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #9 (aun) of Sun Oct 26 11:47:09 MET 1997 status - OK 16 cn=Elephant Seal commonName - Elephant Seal localityName - IS organizationName - SURIS presentationAddress - Internet=193.4.58.51+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Sep 11 16:43:38 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 7.0 #7 (isgate.is) of Tue Feb 23 13:58:06 GMT 1993 status - OK 17 cn=Fruit Bat commonName - Fruit Bat localityName - Troy, New York, US organizationName - U.S. DMD presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=38.9.67.2+17007 lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 10 19:28:16 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #1 (usdsa2.psi.net) of Tue Feb 25 17:17:34 EST 1997 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 18 cn=Giant Panda commonName - Giant Panda presentationAddress - Internet=202.112.29.88+17003 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #265 (Taurus) of Tue Jun 10 08:44:39 CDT 1997 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 19 cn=Giant Tortoise commonName - Testudo Giganteus commonName - Root DSA commonName - Giant Tortoise localityName - DANTE, Cambridge, England organizationName - Root of the World organizationName - DANTE presentationAddress - Internet=193.63.211.34+17003|Internet=128.86.25.56+17003 lastModifiedTime - Mon Nov 22 14:09:32 1999 quipuVersion - quipu 8.4 #61 (NEXOR Product) of Thu Apr 4 15:32:33 BST 1996 status - OK 20 cn=Gorrion commonName - Gorrion localityName - Buenos Aires,AR organizationName - UBA presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=157.92.1.5+17003 lastModifiedTime - Tue Oct 1 16:04:49 1996 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #1 (sun10) of Sat Jul 29 12:52:52 ARG 1995 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 21 cn=Guinea Pig commonName - Guinea Pig commonName - Cavia porcellanus localityName - Budapest, Hungary organizationName - Computer and Automation Institute presentationAddress - Internet=192.84.229.58+17003 lastModifiedTime - Mon Oct 9 17:44:56 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 12.2 #2 (helka) of Tue Jun 6 13:07:29 MET DST 1995 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 22 cn=Guppy commonName - Guppy localityName - LU organizationName - Restena presentationAddress - Internet=158.64.1.14+17003|IXI=20437031009601|X121+2704421629602 lastModifiedTime - Thu Dec 9 08:06:54 1993 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (arakis) of Tue Mar 9 17:08:53 MET 1993 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 23 cn=Hedgehog commonName - HedgeHog organizationName - Inmarsat presentationAddress - Internet=161.30.162.55+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu Sep 2 16:54:10 1993 quipuVersion - quipu 8.1 #2 (XT-QUIPU:1.1) of Thu Apr 1 14:41:26 BST 1993 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 24 cn=Hornero commonName - Hornero localityName - Delft organizationName - SURFnet presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=192.87.36.3+17003 lastModifiedTime - Mon Jul 27 08:59:43 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 8.4 #59 (NEXOR Product) of Tue Jan 30 01:01:30 GMT 1996 status - OK 25 cn=Iguana commonName - Iguana localityName - Madrid (Spain) organizationName - RedIRIS presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.206.1.3+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Feb 7 09:10:51 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #2 (dummy1) of Wed Jun 30 17:51:43 MET DST 1999 status - OK 26 cn=Irish Elk commonName - Irish Elk localityName - Dublin organizationName - Trinity College Dublin presentationAddress - Int-X25=27243605600135+PID+03018100|Internet=134.226.32.45+17007|Janet=000022002304+PID+03018100|IXI=20437250000906+PID+03018100 lastModifiedTime - Thu Jan 23 14:47:38 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #13 (eliz) of Tue Jul 6 15:18:06 BST 1993 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 27 cn=Jaguar commonName - Jaguar presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.230.1.1+17003|ICD+0023+x0000000300000002000112821400100100 lastModifiedTime - Wed Aug 3 17:00:52 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 8.2 #9 (NEXOR Product) of Thu Mar 10 13:46:31 GMT 1994 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 28 cn=Kakapo commonName - Kakapo localityName - Wellington, NZ organizationName - Victoria University of Wellington presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=130.195.5.8+17003 lastModifiedTime - Tue May 24 00:45:42 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 13.0 #2 (state-opera.comp.vuw.ac.nz) of Sun May 12 20:44:52 NZST 1996 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 29 cn=Lion commonName - Lion localityName - Singapore organizationName - National Computer Board of Singapore presentationAddress - Internet=160.96.11.164+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Dec 22 01:45:46 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 6.6 #42 (wally) of Fri Oct 21 12:28:19 CDT 1994 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 30 cn=Long Moustached Owl commonName - long moustached owl presentationAddress - Internet=143.89.14.154+17003 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #4 (ustsu27) of Wed Mar 15 15:54:10 HKT 1995 status - OK 31 cn=Margay commonName - margay localityName - Berlin, DE organizationName - DFN organizationName - Deutsches Forschungsnetz presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=192.76.176.15+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Dec 9 18:16:52 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #2 (rigel) of Wed Jun 25 13:32:42 MET DST 1997 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 32 cn=Northern Pudu commonName - Northern Pudu organizationName - FUNET presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=128.214.1.252+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Aug 3 17:43:47 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 8.2 #9 (NEXOR Product) of Thu Mar 10 13:46:31 GMT 1994 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 33 cn=Ocelot commonName - Ocelot localityName - PL organizationName - UMK presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=158.75.1.11+17003 lastModifiedTime - Tue Nov 3 17:09:19 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 12.2 #18 (Panda) of Thu Dec 18 12:45:26 MET 1997 status - OK 34 cn=Ornate Hawk Eagle commonName - Ornate Hawk Eagle localityName - TW organizationName - Taiwan Network Access Point presentationAddress - Internet=210.209.1.10+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Jul 10 14:57:42 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (nms.wonder.net.tw) of Mon Jul 6 09:22:57 CST 1998 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 35 cn=Paca commonName - Paca localityName - Brazil, BR organizationName - Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS) presentationAddress - Internet=143.54.1.20+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Mar 20 15:32:46 1992 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #1 (penta) of Fri Nov 13 17:18:15 GMT-0300 1992 status - OK 36 cn=Pelican commonName - Pelican localityName - Delhi, India organizationName - IIT Delhi, IN presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=144.16.128.41+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu May 25 11:20:51 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (niyati) of Wed Jan 18 14:30:24 GMT 1995 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 37 cn=Proteus commonName - Proteus localityName - Slovenia, SI organizationName - ARNES presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=193.2.1.66+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Jul 27 11:40:50 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #4 (kanjavec) of Fri May 14 16:03:22 MET DST 1999 status - OK 38 cn=Puma commonName - Puma localityName - Baden Wuerttemberg, DE organizationName - Universitaet Tuebingen presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=134.2.217.132+17023 lastModifiedTime - Wed Jun 30 08:54:55 1999 quipuVersion - quipu 12.2 #1 (sun02) of Thu Jan 21 11:30:29 MET 1999 status - OK 39 cn=Red Titi Monkey commonName - Red Titi Monkey localityName - BE organizationName - Brussels University presentationAddress - "quipu"/Internet=193.190.247.67+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Sep 20 18:19:55 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (elem1) of Tue Nov 9 08:20:04 CET 1993 status - HOST UNREACHABLE 40 cn=Rimau commonName - Rimau presentationAddress - Internet=202.190.128.88+17503 lastModifiedTime - Fri Oct 30 18:01:57 1998 quipuVersion - 6.6 status - OK 41 cn=Rockhopper Penguin commonName - Rockhopper Penguin localityName - Vienna, Austria organizationName - Universitaet Wien presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=131.130.1.19+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu Dec 29 14:49:53 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 12.2 #2 (wsww) of Mon Aug 7 17:21:01 MET DST 1995 status - OK 42 cn=Roufous Motmot commonName - Roufous Motmot localityName - Zagreb, Croatia, Europe organizationName - University of Zagreb - Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Computing organizationName - Fakultet elektrotehnike i racunarstva Sveucilista u Zagrebu presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=161.53.19.205+17003 lastModifiedTime - Thu Apr 6 13:53:38 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #5 (tmat) of Tue Jun 14 13:47:04 MET DST 1994 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 43 cn=Sloth commonName - Sloth localityName - Fujisawa City, Kanagawa organizationName - WIDE project presentationAddress - '0101'H/Internet=203.178.137.73+17003 lastModifiedTime - Tue Jan 27 11:32:50 1998 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #3 (tau) of Fri Oct 8 13:47:02 JST 1993 status - OK 44 cn=Tarpon commonName - Tarpon localityName - SLOVAKIA, Banska Bystrica localityName - Banska Bystrica in Slovak Republic organizationName - Matej Bel University, UAKOM Banska Bystrica presentationAddress - Internet=192.108.131.17+17003 lastModifiedTime - Fri Dec 22 13:11:45 1995 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #1 (nic) of Tue Feb 1 17:30:06 MET 1994 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 45 cn=Woolly Opossum commonName - Woolly Opossum commonName - Dromiciops australis localityName - CZ organizationName - Prague University of Economics presentationAddress - Internet=146.102.16.4+17003 lastModifiedTime - Wed Jan 26 17:26:00 1994 quipuVersion - quipu 8.0 #3 (devetsil) of Thu Jan 27 18:21:30 MET 1994 status - TCP CONNECTION REFUSED 46 cn=Woolly Spider Monkey commonName - Woolly Spider Monkey localityName - BE organizationName - Vrije Universiteit Brussel organizationName - Brussels University presentationAddress - "quipu"/Internet=193.190.247.71+17003|Int-X25=2062221006115+PID+03018100 lastModifiedTime - Tue Jul 9 11:31:20 1996 quipuVersion - quipu 13.1 #3 (sun1) of Thu Nov 28 11:37:31 WET 1996 status - DAP BIND FAILED 47 cn=Zebu commonName - zebu localityName - Braga organizationName - RCCN Portugal presentationAddress - Internet=193.136.5.1+17003|X121+26802301031425|TELEX+40432135+d0119313600500117004 lastModifiedTime - Fri Aug 29 18:24:58 1997 quipuVersion - quipu 12.0 #1 (info) of Tue Jan 17 16:46:22 MET 1995 status - OK --------------F581E0E7A0C6CC8C5B32BF8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="DSA.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="DSA.txt" WORKING: Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Austria Universitaet Wien Rockhopper M c=AT 12.2 #2 Penguin Brazil UFRGS Paca M c=BR 8.0 #1 Canada The Esys Corporation Beluga Whale M c=CA 13.1 #9 Germany Universitaet Tuebingen Puma M c=DE 12.2 #1 Great Britain DANTE Giant Tortoise M ROOT 8.4 #61 Greece FORTHnet Caretta Caretta M c=GR 8.0 #1 Hong Kong University of Science Long Moustached M c=HK 8.0 #4 and Technology Owl Iceland SURIS Elephant Seal M c=IS 7.0 #7 Italy GARR-NIS Black Widow M c=IT 8.0 #3 Japan WIDE project Sloth M c=JP 8.0 #3 Malaysia ??? Rimau M c=MY 6.6 Netherlands SURFnet Hornero M c=NL 8.4 #59 Norway UNINETT Electric Eel M c=NO 13.1 #9 Poland UMK Ocelot M c=PL 12.2 #18 Portugal RCCN Portugal Zebu M c=PT 12.0 #1 Singapore Singapore Telecoms Arowana S c=SG * 6.6 Slovenia ARNES Proteus M c=SI 8.0 #4 Spain RedIRIS Iguana M c=ES 13.1 #2 Sweden SUNET Andean Cat M c=SE 12.2 #2 Switzerland SWITCH Chinchilla M c=CH 13.1 #4 --------------- TOTAL: 20 _______________ * Master DSA for c=SG is unavailable (see below). UNMANTAINABLE (Ex-maintainers have replied): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denmark UNI-C Armadillo M c=DK 8.0 #4 Ireland Trinity College Dublin Irish Elk M c=IE 8.0 #13 UNCLEAR (TCP connection is OK, but DAP bind probing fails): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Belgium Vrije Universiteit Woolly Spider M c=BE 13.1 #3 Brussel Monkey UNREACHABLE (No response from maintainers): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argentina UBA Gorrion M c=AR 8.0 #1 Australia AARNet Anaconda M c=AU 12.1 #1 Belgium Brussels University Red Titi Monkey s cn=Woolly Spider Monkey 8.0 #5 Croatia University of Zagreb Roufous Motmot M c=HR 8.0 #5 Czech Prague University of Woolly Opossum M c=CZ 8.0 #3 Economics Finland FUNET Northern Pudu M c=FI 8.2 #9 Finland Tampere University of Jaguar ------ 8.2 #9 Technology Germany DFN Margay S ROOT, c=DE 13.1 #2 Hungary Computer and Automation Guinea Pig M c=HU 12.2 #2 Institute Israel Hebrew University of Dorcan Gazelle M c=IL 8.0 #14 Jerusalem Korea ETRI Dragon M c=KR 8.0 #5 Luxemburg Restena Guppy M c=LU 8.0 #5 New Zealand Victoria University of Kakapo M c=NZ 13.0 #2 Wellington Norway UNINETT Boa Constrictor s cn=Electric Eel 13.1 #4 Singapore National Computer Board Lion M c=SG 6.6 #42 Slovakia Matej Bel University Tarpon M c=SK 8.0 #1 Spain Universidad Politecnica Cayman s cn=Iguana 8.0 #2 de Madrid Taiwan Taiwan Network Access Ornate Hawk M c=TW 8.0 #5 Point Eagle USA DMD Alpaca M c=US 12.1 #2 USA DMD Fruit Bat S ROOT, c=US 13.1 #1 Inmarsat HedgeHog S ROOT 8.1 #2 --------------- TOTAL: 21 UNREACHABLE (Invalid maintainers' email addresses): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- China Northeastern University Giant Panda ------ 8.0 #265 India IIT Delhi Pelican M c=IN 8.0 #5 Russia Moscow State University Bear M c=RU 8.0 #7 MISSING (Not in the root DSA): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position -------------------------------------------------------------------- Great Britain UKERNA Inca Dove M c=GB _______________ TOTAL DSAs: 48 --------------F581E0E7A0C6CC8C5B32BF8B-- From owner-nameflow-forum@alpha.dante.org.uk Mon Nov 29 08:52:47 1999 Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by fionn.es.net (LBNLMWH19/LBNLMWH11/ESOCF2) with ESMTP id IAA17390 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08223 for NameFLOW-forum-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:47:20 GMT Received: from theta.dante.org.uk (theta.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.7]) by alpha.dante.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06964; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:27:19 GMT Received: from dante.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theta.dante.org.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01197; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:27:19 GMT Message-ID: <38429B56.5834F9AD@dante.org.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:27:18 +0000 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NameFLOW Forum , Markus Sauer , wpp-manager@psi.com, katalog-hjelp@tyholt.uninett.no, celestino.tomas@rediris.es, juli@hunch.cc.huji.ac.il, postmaster@pec.etri.re.kr, benyo@lutra.sztaki.hu, tetenyi@sztaki.hu, marc.stiefer@restena.lu, hostmaster@inmarsat.org, Manu.Mahonen@csc.fi, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, francis@nii.ncb.gov.sg, postmaster@wonder.net.tw, enver.sehovic@etf.hr, smolenova@uakom.sk, Eva.Cirkvova@vse.cz Old-Subject: Root DSA cleaning: interim results [Fwd: DSA List] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9BDBF5908911E8BAB7219B9A" Sender: owner-nameflow-forum@dante.org.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Root DSA cleaning: interim results DSA List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9BDBF5908911E8BAB7219B9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All. The recent situation with first level DSAs is attached. Please note that 8 DSAs have been removed since last week. You need to modify your servers' DSA entries in the Directory, removing eDBinfo attributes with the following values: cn=Anaconda (note this should be the root level DN - @cn=Anaconda and not @c=IT@cn=Anaconda); cn=Giant Panda cn=Armadillo cn=Margay cn=Pelican cn=Irish Elk cn=Bear cn=Andean Cat c=AU c=DK c=IN c=IE c=RU c=SE Country entries, which contained out of date slaveDSA attributes, have been already modified. There are still 19 DSAs for which I have not received any reply. If there are no messages from their maintainers, the DSAs' entries will be removed in two days, on December 1. Best regards, Konstantin. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev - Application Engineer * * Francis House, 112 Hills Road * Cambridge CB2 1PQ, United Kingdom D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net --------------9BDBF5908911E8BAB7219B9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="DSA.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="DSA.txt" WORKING (QUIPU): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Austria Universitaet Wien Rockhopper M c=AT 12.2 #2 Penguin Brazil UFRGS Paca M c=BR 8.0 #1 Canada The Esys Corporation Beluga Whale M c=CA 13.1 #9 Great Britain DANTE Giant Tortoise M ROOT 8.4 #61 Greece FORTHnet Caretta Caretta M c=GR 8.0 #1 Hong Kong University of Science Long Moustached M c=HK 8.0 #4 and Technology Owl Iceland SURIS Elephant Seal M c=IS 7.0 #7 Italy GARR-NIS Black Widow M c=IT 8.0 #3 Japan WIDE project Sloth M c=JP 8.0 #3 Malaysia ??? Rimau M c=MY 6.6 Norway UNINETT Electric Eel M c=NO 13.1 #9 Poland UMK Ocelot M c=PL 12.2 #18 Portugal RCCN Portugal Zebu M c=PT 12.0 #1 Singapore Singapore Telecoms Arowana S c=SG * 6.6 Slovenia ARNES Proteus M c=SI 8.0 #4 Spain RedIRIS Iguana M c=ES 13.1 #2 Switzerland SWITCH Chinchilla M c=CH 13.1 #4 --------------- TOTAL: 17 _______________ * Master DSA for c=SG is unavailable (see below). MIGRATING TO X.500 '93: Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany Universitaet Tuebingen Puma M c=DE 12.2 #1 MIGRATING TO LDAP: Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netherlands SURFnet Hornero M c=NL 8.4 #59 UNCLEAR (TCP connection is OK, but DAP bind probing fails): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Belgium Vrije Universiteit Woolly Spider M c=BE 13.1 #3 Brussel Monkey UNREACHABLE (No response from maintainers): Country Organization DSA Name DSA Position Quipu Version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argentina UBA Gorrion M c=AR 8.0 #1 Belgium Brussels University Red Titi Monkey s cn=Woolly Spider Monkey 8.0 #5 Croatia University of Zagreb Roufous Motmot M c=HR 8.0 #5 Czech Prague University of Woolly Opossum M c=CZ 8.0 #3 Economics Finland FUNET Northern Pudu M c=FI 8.2 #9 Finland Tampere University of Jaguar ------ 8.2 #9 Technology Hungary Computer and Automation Guinea Pig M c=HU 12.2 #2 Institute Israel Hebrew University of Dorcan Gazelle M c=IL 8.0 #14 Jerusalem Korea ETRI Dragon M c=KR 8.0 #5 Luxemburg Restena Guppy M c=LU 8.0 #5 New Zealand Victoria University of Kakapo M c=NZ 13.0 #2 Wellington Norway UNINETT Boa Constrictor s cn=Electric